Curse

Blackest Rose · Feb 12, 2007, 07:39 AM // 07:39

Dear Anet - please please please keep the Deep and Urgoz open.

They're really fun places.
Move each NPC entrance character to the respective hometown of Luxon/Kurzick if you must - and even make them only accessible when your character has finished Factions.

But please please please don't make me AB or PVP in any way to get entrance to these fab areas. Or rely on the kindness of ferries who seem to be never around when I need one....

It's time to take the attitude like you did with material storage (originally factions only but then much later put in prophecies) - open it up.

Make it another tombs which is still getting great mileage and play time.

It's time to give us an easier way to get to the elite PVE missions and not through PVP.

bungusmaximus · Feb 12, 2007, 07:49 AM // 07:49

Signed, getting to elite missions nowadays is purgatory and once you found a ferry you'll only find out that all districts are empty. It would be nice if these missions saw more play again, theyre worth it...

The Leviathan · Feb 12, 2007, 08:09 AM // 08:09

I completely and fully agree, why are these missions requiring 12 people when only the single guild and the alliance that controls it can get people there =\ It is self-defeating, they should stay open so that we always have enough people.

These missions are really fun, at least make us just do something so we actually earn it and so it is not so much based on things out of our control like getting into the right alliance and such. Perhaps make it accessable for characters who have beaten Factions, because after you beat Factions you really have nothing else to do...

Signed.

bart · Feb 12, 2007, 08:17 AM // 08:17

signed

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Cacheelma · Feb 12, 2007, 08:20 AM // 08:20

One way to do it for PvE players is to put both of these 2 npcs in the "Divine Path". That way, you'll have to beat Shiro whenever you want to enter the areas.

The pros.-
- It still requires some effort to get in, but not too hard/depending on too many factors like ferry/alliance.
- People who want to get into Divine Path for some other reasons (capping the pet, trading amulet, crafting weapon/armor) will be able to do so easily because more party would be formed at the place at all time.

What do you guys think?

Edge Martinez · Feb 12, 2007, 08:26 AM // 08:26

It'd be nice if it cost 1gp per member of the controlling alliance. This way if a 4 guild alliance held it, with 50 people per guild, it'd cost 200 gold to get into the deep or Urgoz. It could be much more if the alliance is bigger.

And to the victor goes the spoils. For each person who goes to the deep or urgoz, every member in that alliance gets a gold piece added to their account. If 5000 people visit the Deep in a day, that's a nice chunk of change and a good reward for holding the top spot.

The Leviathan · Feb 12, 2007, 08:30 AM // 08:30

Cacheelma I really like that idea

That way Shiro could be a little test run every time we want to get into the elite missions. It'd be perfect and still require some effort and teamwork, like the pre-entrance to DoA.

DarkGanni · Feb 12, 2007, 08:46 AM // 08:46

/signed for Cacheelma's idea.

Faer · Feb 12, 2007, 09:13 AM // 09:13

I may do my best to point out the good things ArenaNet does amongst all the (often overly exaggerated) bad, but really, it's been long enough since we were told that an alternate access route into these missions would be given to us. If a Weekend Event every now and then is that form of access, someone should just come right out and say so, rather than making us wait and drawing out more "ArenaNet breaks promises!" complaints and rants.

If I'm going to PvE, I want to mess with the Elite PvE, not the watered down Charr and Jungle Trolls that fall over when you blow on them...

King Kong · Feb 12, 2007, 09:27 AM // 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

I may do my best to point out the good things ArenaNet does amongst all the (often overly exaggerated) bad, but really, it's been long enough since we were told that an alternate access route into these missions would be given to us.

It was last July they told us that

Hideous Beast · Feb 12, 2007, 09:38 AM // 09:38

/signed since i have a tiny guild with no chance of holding HzH

zwei2stein · Feb 12, 2007, 09:41 AM // 09:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Leviathan

Cacheelma I really like that idea

That way Shiro could be a little test run every time we want to get into the elite missions. It'd be perfect and still require some effort and teamwork, like the pre-entrance to DoA.

Not to mention that player has to complete Factions which means that he should be at least little bit competent ...

(anyway, most effective Shiro beating is just matter of taking all hench party - sadly, they work way better than any human team because they actually have and use celestial skills and actually kill replacements if you tell em to do so to recharge those skills.)

rong626 · Feb 12, 2007, 09:43 AM // 09:43

whats the point of the top alliance owning cavalon then,shouldnt they have something special as they are the #1?

bastard · Feb 12, 2007, 09:47 AM // 09:47

Dear Anet, plz keep Deep and Urgoz closed all time!
coz it was rly noob-festival.

VinnyRidira · Feb 12, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

The reason we have noobs is nobody does these missions thru the year. Also the experts dont want Factions only people. Unless you have Prophecies you cannot be a BiP necro.

VinnyRidira · Feb 12, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

Killing Shiro is just an interupt and degen fest. Dont want or need monks.

Hideous Beast · Feb 12, 2007, 10:25 AM // 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by rong626

whats the point of the top alliance owning cavalon then,shouldnt they have something special as they are the #1?

I'm in favor of killing the elitism. Isn't being #1 enough? Why punish people for not being faction farmers?

Effendi Westland · Feb 12, 2007, 12:15 PM // 12:15

/signed

Have Cavalon and HzH even changed hands this last 2 months?

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

The reason we have noobs is nobody does these missions thru the year. Also the experts dont want Factions only people. Unless you have Prophecies you cannot be a BiP necro.

I do The Deep with friends about once a week, but what the below poster says is right, we'll take new people along with us, but usually friends of friends. And when you got too many people new to it failure becomes a risk. The droprate in these missions is just too bad for risking failure.

Your BiP necro comment must be directed at Urgoz, I doubt that many still actually use a BiP necro in their setup in the Deep now that Light of Deliverence is available, at least we don't.

Spiteful Spirit, Feast of Corruption, Spoils Victor are the 3 necro types we take down with us to The Deep, never Blood is Power.

the_jos · Feb 12, 2007, 12:15 PM // 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

The reason we have noobs is nobody does these missions thru the year. Also the experts dont want Factions only people. Unless you have Prophecies you cannot be a BiP necro.

Not entirely true.
My guild does Elite missions (Deep most of the time) on regular basis. (we are not in the alliance, but most have been in the area's before and we taxi from guild hall).
Most of the time we pick up some people since we cannot fill a team.
When we pick them up, they get specific questions on skills and like, to make sure they understand their role.
The reason is that we don't want to fail because someone screws up.
And over time, you get a gut feeling on who's ok and who might screw up.

Saturday, we ran with 2 warriors that were new, they never reached the finall boss. Also a new monk was in the team. Not sure on an Ele. A guildmember played SS, first time. That puts extra pressure on the team, but we managed to finish within reasonable time.
We really had some doubts when we got to the boss, but the second warrior did a great job (and is now a guildmember).

On the other hand, we got smashed in Urgoz in the area after the bridge with fire flowers with a full guild B/P team, because too many were new (including myself).
That's a pitty, because it took quite a long time to get there.

I think that's why most people want the proven teams/builds.
It takes a long time to finish and they feel it's a waste of time to fail because someone (or more) screw(s) up.
I don't mind, I have fun on the runs and don't really care about the greens.
But others might think different.

Bahumhat · Feb 12, 2007, 12:19 PM // 12:19

I say drop the control of elite missions, but add another "oooh! Ahhh!" spice to the mix. ^^